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I personally think since David got into the white house, his presence on talks like this doesn't make any sense. I felt like all in has changed a lot too since he got into the white house. It's no longer somewhat neutral. It's skewed.

I wish this conversation was longer. I’d enjoy hearing Joe speak on geopolitics on a longer episode. I think Sachs did a fine job representing the USA and being polite.

Joe Tsai is a good bridge between America and China.

I think this is the best interview in All IN SUMMIT. Joe TSAI is very direct in what China is up to and rightly said China didn’t start any war since last 50 years since Vietnam war ended.

Joe makes many good points. There’s no clear win on AI… it’s not a sprint.

(Maybe the unedited version is much longer) This should be a three hour long conversation. Big kudos to the allin team.

Best episode of All In so far. Joe’s insights are honest, fact-based, and refreshingly balanced. The U.S. has been confrontational since China’s rise, while China largely sought cooperation until pushed too far. Standing up for dignity is human nature. Mearsheimer’s stance reflects a hegemonic mindset — against morality and peace.

This was fascinating. Thank you. Would love to see Joe on a longer episode

Joe is amazing to explain every topic.

When talking about WNBA, Joe is a confident business leader.When talking about compeition between USA and China, he come a cautious political spokesperson.

I can't really trust Joe Tsai, he's not going to tell any truth that's against the CCP

LOL, he can't directly criticize, state anything negative or his true reflections on China without risking being disappeared like Jack Ma. What's the point in even engaging in this conversation topic?!

being humble is the way for the world moving forward peacefully, not arrogant and determined to be the only number one country mindset, which will only create more chaos and inequality.

As an American billionaire who speaks fluent Chinese, Joe surely knows much better about China than those Fox China experts.

China is peaceful & I'm Dalai Lama btw which country does Dalai Lama come from btw, I'm not sure if it's China? Anyone?

There is no point in discussing politics with anyone that runs a business in China. They cannot say what is in their head while being recorded.

Now this is cool.

Wow, I must be living on another planet. I completely disagree with Tsai’s discussion on China and the WNBA. Maybe it’s bc I’m just an ignorant, middle class person with a doctorate in nothing useful.

CCP approved message 😅just saying

Joe Tsai’s response to David’s “America must win the race” is bang on! It’s not about who builds the best model but actually adoption/ application. China has been very strong when it comes to having a network effect ecosystem that makes it super easy for them to monetize. I can only think of Google and Apple as the only company (maybe Tesla to some extent) that has that leverage.

The reason Chinese don’t stress so much about AI taking their jobs is because Chinese executives generally don’t brag about laying off their employees the way Americans do. They think it’s a very weird and negative thing to do

It's obvious that China is going to kick our ass on this. Just sayin.'

Interesting to mention of how jack ma disappeared

Excellent piece. How many Americans is able to speak the Chinese language with such eloquence and able to put forth is thoughts and express it well to the masses... The willingness of the Chinese to understand their rivals puts them at an advantage to dominate and win...

In China, the politicians set the rules and policies of the country but with long term strategy and predictability. Businessmen adapt and adjust to the rules to form their own respective business strategy. In America, the businessmen formulate the rules and policies of the country in according to their own interest. The politician set the rules and policies based on the businessmen inputs.

Joe was treading water very lightly. He didn't want to pull another 2020 Jack Ma.

Sachs admitted the reality. All this narrative about China trying to create a global empire is just complete BS. China is feared by the US only because it is a successful competitor and the US wants to stay as the only top dog. That just isn't going gto be the case for much longer. The US should actually be collaborating with this historic culture, creating a win win for the US, China and the rest of the world.

Joe sounds really polished. Great conversation except the knee jerk comment from David about US supremacy, winning the AI race ya di ya di ya di

Hilarious interview, no pushback or mention of territorial disputes with every single neighbor

You know why protests are rare in China?

Very thoughtful discussion, kudos to all in crew for bringing people from “opposite” sides. It was an interesting question from Joe regarding what you want AI to achieve at the end of the day, make everyone’s life better or dominate others. It’s a ‘zero sum’ game? Questionable conclusion.

No one touch the real issues between US and China. Nothing to do with economy but the system! Why more people want to move away from ? Please look for flowing direction…. Ask yourself ?

Nice to see that the Chinese are now already much more smarter then the Americans.. Just a matter of time..

Thank god for Joe Tsai tells the truth about China

Mr. Tsai's answers to anything regarding China or Chinese policy are so obviously constrained and careful that it emphasizes the fear of upsetting the Chinese government. No matter how much of a positive spin you try to put on things, China is still a country that rules with fear. Nobody had the nerve to bring up the incredible AI advances that China has made to advance and perfect its surveillance state.

First! Let’s go

I like Joe’s explanation and view of Ai

he is good!

AI here in the US is capturing wealth for few and isnt sharing with the middle class. Long term it will have a negative affect in the US.

Joe is the national pride of North Korea.

Jason, Chinese cannot publicly say anything against the communist party. They'd be risking their life by doing so.

Should normal income people be happy when they watch your podcast or should they get angry? Honestly, what do you think?

2:56 WHY IS THIS NOT GETTING CLAPS

Sacks “Yes, but the USA must win air, and beat China and rest of the world to own air.” Watching MAGA lower his IQ in real time here.

Joe is incorrect saying China did not start the wars in the recent years. It is the critical proxy war support for Russia and Iran (and Hamas of course with both assistance for tunnels and tools). Without China there are no Ukraine invasion and all the fights in Middle East!

Wow I'm first.

Don’t listen to those China ‘experts’. Listen to their billionaires. They know what they’re talking about.

"18-20% unemployment of new graduates in China now" , the actual could be around 30%. It's really not good. It would only get worse when AI continues to improve. It would be a crisis in China, and in the US, if we are not ready for that!

Excellent discussion 👍

Lol that is me in the intro

Great discussion shared by someone who has global mindset and also understands the deep insight. It is not about RIVALRY!

There is no (need to be) winner in AI, it has no network effect. So stop the fight. That's the summary of the whole interview.

Look at what China is doing with the EV market. Wait until what they will do if they control AI.

china is willing to work with the west whether on technology or economics, but the westerners fear the rise of the chinese and prefers to suppress china, often times even to their own detriment. in the eyes of the westerner, the chinese are enemies.

Don’t give a f what Jason has to say about basketball lmaooo

During China’s Great Leap Forward, the dream of instant industrial glory turned into a national catastrophe, as tens of millions starved amid fields of false prosperity and government lies. Villages crumbled under impossible quotas, families perished in silence, and desperate peasants were driven to unthinkable acts just to survive. The nightmare deepened with the Cultural Revolution, when Mao’s call for ideological purity unleashed chaos across the nation—children denounced their parents, scholars were beaten in the streets, and priceless relics of Chinese history were smashed to dust by zealous Red Guards. What was promised as a march toward utopia became a reign of fear and famine, erasing not only lives but the soul of a civilization. Behind the glowing propaganda posters and roaring crowds lay a broken nation, haunted by the echoes of its own revolution.

Got scared when talk about politics, lol

You can't expect to see a big figure like Joe Tsai to express what he really thinks about China in such open circumstances, the consequences would be HUGE if he says anything bad about Chinese government, which makes this kind of interview less interesting.

a Chinese-US voice with globe mindset🎉

Why the US-China Rivalry will not end well: USA: Competition Competition Competition China: *Win-Win Cooperation*

Joe was born in Taiwan and got education in Yale. he holds taiwan/Hongkong/Canada passports. Assisting Jack Ma to create Alibaba made him a billionaire. after Ma was retired, Joe is in charge now as the board chair with CEO being one of their former lieutenants.

Where’s Tsai when the CCP cracked down on the Hong Kong democratic protests? Is he a Chinese citizen or US citizen? Who is he defending?

Umm if you watch the Jack Ma vs Elon debate from 2016, I think we can all agree Jack was not the sharpest tool in the shed in that debate. The title sums this up: "When Elon Musk realised China's richest man is an idiot"

the problem is exactly davids viewpoint which is the viewpoint of the american government; every other country doesnt have to be subservient thats the definition of tyranny; its the mentality of the government here thats broken

These are tough questions you are asking him because the political climate in China will not allow him to answer how he really feels. He needs to maintain the universal chinese narrative. Notice how he is trained to dance around alll the tough questions.

对的事情就是 JUST ALL IN ，电池产业 电动汽车 光伏产业都是ALL IN.一把梭哈。美国就会TACO.....

Why would an intelligent person buy an NBA team?

Aeon

Never watched womens basketball until CC

China is behind in large language models

Did he admit the Nets were going to lose on purpose? Big mistake for a lawyer.

Chinese people do not actually want to be the “most powerful country” All this narrative is simply the US freaking about their own position

The effort exerted by all the panelists to avoid the ‘T’ word and the ‘C’ word was excruciating. I’ll help them out: the PRC is a Totalitarian Communist dictatorship that shamefully disregards the basic human rights of its own citizens and its global neighbours. That doesn’t stop the US from doing business there, but let’s at least be honest about our self-interested greedy motives for doing so and stop pretending life is all sunshine and roses over there. The gaslighting in this discussion was ridiculous.

This guy is pro-Chinese because he has business ties in China. His view is strictly for the benefits of his own businesses but clueless in the political arena. If China is not into wars, then why are they building up their military powers and they did showcase that on 9/2. They’re copying and stealing all sorts of technologies from the US and the world. And they have spies living all over the US. So, stop trying to be naive or brain wash the American public!

Ask Taiwan, Hong Kong, the Phillipines, ROK, Japan, Australia, etc., etc. if they think the PRC is a “peaceful nation”. 😂

🤔Excellent Conversation ❤

very exciting to watch!

Funny to hear the word „privacy“ in there

Please lead the development of science and technology and make good trends and exemplary cases.

my bigggg boss and idol

A rapidly developing society needs to maintain an unemployment rate of 10% to 15% in order to generate strong competition in the job market.

Not too shabby...

Well said, Joe. Factual to the pragmatic points about ai! This David is just airing the words of his master about being always leading ai! The industry as per se since Industrial Revolution, are open to cooperation and collaboration in the right competitive mindsets, but since just over a decade or so, it’s clear, uaaassss is losing its grip in its dominance or its authoritarian egos that “just do what I say” business, not only don’t work anymore, but it’s total insecurity kicks in very hard. So hard, its inner fear of being an authoritarian “leader” overrides all basics of open market cooperation collaboration! Worst of all, it can’t fathom anyone or any country would rosed up and overtook its dominance in its agenda - “just do what I say”!!!!!

The truth is the winner take it all ,but create a conscious agi is god’ job ,period

Grt

24:00 Wrong. Pasted from Wikipedia: "Tens of thousands of protests occur each year in the PRC. Generally, they are driven by local disputes as opposed to national issues. The most common sources of protests are unpaid wage issues, disputes over compensation for land development, local environmental activism or NIMBY (Not In My Backyard) activism."

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Balaji S. says China is Apple, the Internet is freedom, and for Indians in tech to leave the US. Now.

There’s only one palantir on the planet

J Cal saying WNBA game tougher. 😂😂😂

We can compete but you cannot steal, copy and you have to follow the rules

As long as the American leadership continues to let Chinese espionage ruthlessly act in their (American) institutes, labs, companies, and academies such as colleges/universities, China still has a chance to keep up with the Americans in terms of tech or AI, or even the space race.

Being Chinese I laughed so hard at the teacher's uniion quote, because despite us being the "communist country", I never even heard of the union concept until I went to Canada for college at 18. For some reason we don't have that in China, but the union thing is everyone in US and Canada.

Zeroth

你只能代表你自己

"teachers union getting in the way of our education" hahahahahahahaahahhahahahaah i'm dead

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The tech minds in Silicon Valley adhere to a quintessential zero-sum mindset, finding it difficult to comprehend the Chinese concept of a win-win situation. Ideologically speaking, they do not consciously embrace such an outcome. Secondly, mainstream American media frequently portray China as an "enemy" or strategic adversary, leading to miscalculations across military, economic, and cultural spheres. This has already materialised, with the US effectively forcing the #CPC into the role of "opponent." Consequently, China is merely exercising legitimate self-defence and countermeasures in pursuit of its own interests.

这什么时候的

The subject of AI's future is its upcoming central role in the facilitating of world trade between and among nations. More importantly the pricing of world trade between and among nations will be wholly dependent on AI because the US$ hegemony is on its way out. US with its galloping debts will never be able to repay their debts and the rest of the world will have to look for another alternative of pricing mechanism which will ensure they get paid back value for value. A recall of the days of barter trading in times past. It does look like that US days of calling the shots will be soon over. Trump's tariff politcies of late is the catalyst.

😂😂😂

hello, i use google translate, beacause im speaking franch I had a question for computer scientists who are familiar with the field of AI. I want to know if an entity could steal an AI, that is, steal its source code with its data base? Is it impossible to do that?

AGI is similar to authoritarian dictatorship. So they are ok with it, not realizing that unlike CCP, AGI will be godlike and have little incentive to help people who are just like how most of us view ants.

夫唯不争， 则天下莫能与之争。 美国现阶级领导境界与格局太小了……

Odds Joe had a sit-down with his governement before this video??

Chiba is smart it invades not by military but by encroaching in other territories by acquiring resource companies, farmland , ports, airports, entering universities. Why use military like Russia? Silent invasion is better no one notices until it's too late.

there are so many talented people in USA, and they do have clear understanding on USA's problems. the funny thing is the crazy ones running the govronment don't give a shhit to these people. LOL

JCal doesn't know basketball

There are some China hawks that clearly out of touch with reality. Calling China a bully is like kissing up to DJT ah.

David Sachs should be the chairperson or CEO of Google or MSFT.

Thank you Joe and I agree a lot about china, but the education part is not. Chinese education system is absolutely awful, exam centre model, extremely pushing students, exploitation young children. But I like their maths and engineering education in general universities.

The regulations "protected privacy".... lol yeah ok, it's not privacy if the government has access to every server on demand.

Could he say anything unfavourable to China？

There is teacher’s union in China since 1950, which Joe got it wrong.

He's not addressing the issue.

I find comment on air and ai to be ironic. Esp given focus from China is on smaller models and we are building large models.

AGI is the goal. It’s a race and he who achieves AGI doesn’t win, he gets to open Pandora’s box first. That’s when this will start getting very interesting. It could be the end of humanity, or a Utopian ending, or a mixture of both. But either way it’s inevitable.

i love China!

So Sachs has specified that the only measure of power is economics & AI. Nothing about social development

Holy cow it's Jackie Chan

4:15 the WNBA is “more physical” than the NBA??? 🤣 what a joke

Third

I am Chinese by ethnicity. I don’t agree that every Chinese wants China to win in everything or be the most powerful. I also don’t think my ancestors country of origin wants to be the most powerful in the world. We know that when you reached the apex of power, you will decline. You have no more higher and stronger to look up to nor compete with to improve or be on the toes against. We are humans, once you are rich, powerful you tend to become lazy, wasted and thinking too highly of yourself. China had reached the apex a few times and the consequences were detrimental! So that’s why China has no ambition to be no 1 and happy to be no2. Chinese believe in the wind of change. That’s nature. Even when you do not want, nature will bring you to the forth front. Nevertheless if there is any kind advise, when you compete do not keep looking at the mirror to look at your competitor… what is in front is more important. This analogy is best described when you ate driving or racing

Offensive realism as a theory for foreign policy is why America is in decline. It is a failed theory which did not predict or have any explanatory value since its inception. It cannot explain why a network of individuals (not a state) attacked the American homeland in 2001. It cannot explain why America is in a state of relative decline industrially to the point where its deterrence capacity is reliant on Chinese elements. It cannot explain the power structures of the Magnificent Seven who control the data storage and data analysis of the U.S. state. IR theory is responsible for the decline of the west because the western powers have bankrupted themselves for regional hegemony. In fact it is Structural Power that is predictive and explanatory. Thus if the western policy analysts listened to Susan Strange and not John Mearsheimer they would not be in this predicament of technological reliance on their peer competitor, China.